'Off-the-charts bonkers': MSNBC's John Heilemann tries to make sense of 'craziest' testimony ever about a president

MSNBC's John Heilemann tried to make sense of the "off-the-charts bonkers" testimony about Donald Trump's efforts to overturn his election loss. RELATED: Trump's civil lawsuit problems grew immeasurably worse after Jan 6th weapons testimony: report "I don't even know where to begin," Heilemann said. "You know, what we now know about Trump's intent, what he knew, what he did, what he thought, and as the committee is not done yet building that case makes it almost impossible, I would think, to not -- the basis for criminal charges is now so abundantly clear, and the pressure on the Justice Department, rightly so, given what we've learned about Donald Trump's mindset where he was willing to do the things he said and thought and things he was willing to let go, is just kind of overwhelming, and the last thing I'd say, it may be the most extraordinary congressional testimony ever, you might want to put John Dean in that category, but the scene that we heard recounted yesterday about Trump's behavior in the presidential limousine I would say is maybe the craziest thing ever described about a president of the United States ever." "I mean, when you talk about it all day long, but the notion of the president of the United States trying to grab the wheel of the limousine and get into a physical altercation with his protective detail and lunging apparently for the throat of one of them is so off-the-charts bonkers that I still am having a hard time processing it now, 18 hours later," Heilemann added.