Sangh Parivar’s U.S. funds trail
3 years, 5 months ago

Sangh Parivar’s U.S. funds trail

The Hindu  

Golwalkar, Hindutva ideologue and the second ‘Sarsanghchalak’ of the Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh, had advocated in his writings and speeches that Hindus across the globe, regardless of their citizenship, should unite. During the same period, the Bhutada Family Foundation gave $496,495 to Sewa International, $274,603 to the HSS, $145,415 to Ekal and $43,313 to the VHPA and its affiliate, the World Hindu Council INC. On its website, the VHPA mentions that it is “inspired by the same values and ideals as those followed by Vishwa Hindu Parishad of Bharat” and claims Ekal Vidyalaya as its project. According to details available on the VHPA’s Support a Child project website, the group sends money to dozens of Sangh affiliates in India such as the VHP Foundation, the Vishwa Hindu Jankalyan Parishad, the Bharthi Seva Samithi and the Bhartiya Jan Sewa Sansthan for various projects. The Florida-based Aggarwal & Gupta Family Foundation, which has net assets worth $47 million, according to the 2018 Form 990, is one of the leading donors of Sangh-affiliated non-profits in the U.S., including the HAF. Dr Chandresh Saraiya, a Florida-based physician and a member on the HAF’s board of advisers, is currently listed in the tax form as director of the Aggarwal & Gupta Family Foundation.

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Shah’s disparaging views on Ambedkar reflective of BJP/RSS casteist ideology: CPI(M)
3 days, 22 hours ago

Shah’s disparaging views on Ambedkar reflective of BJP/RSS casteist ideology: CPI(M)

The Hindu  

Communist Party of India State secretary M.V. Speaking to journalists after chairing a CPI State secretariat meeting here on Friday, Mr. Govindan said the Bharatiya Janata Party, an RSS offshoot, drew ideological inspiration from the Manusmriti. Mr. Govindan said that during the previous Lok Sabha election campaign, the BJP aspired to get up to 430 seats in the Lok Sabha …

BJP MP makes a statement with '1984' bag
4 days, 5 hours ago

BJP MP makes a statement with '1984' bag

India Today  

RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat has expressed concern over resurgence of several temple-mosque disputes and said certain individuals, after the construction of Ayodhya Ram temple, seem to believe they can become “leaders of Hindus” by raking up such issues. Delivering a lecture on ‘India – The Vishwaguru’, at Sahjeevan Vyakhyanmala here on Thursday, Bhagwat advocated for an inclusive society and said …

RSS urges Centre to 'mobilise global support' for Hindus in Bangladesh
3 weeks, 3 days ago

RSS urges Centre to 'mobilise global support' for Hindus in Bangladesh

India Today  

The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh has called on the government to take urgent action to "mobilise global support" in response to the growing violence against Hindus and other minorities in Bangladesh. Demanding the release of Chinmoy Krishna Das, a Hindu monk and former Iskcon leader, who has been unjustly detained, RSS General Secretary Dattatreya Hosabale condemned the persecution of Hindus in …

Maharashtra polls: How the Sangh Parivar is backing Mahayuti
1 month, 2 weeks ago

Maharashtra polls: How the Sangh Parivar is backing Mahayuti

Hindustan Times  

MUMBAI: The Sangh Parivar is pulling out all stops to back the Bharatiya Janata Party for the upcoming assembly elections, spokespersons of the outfit said at a media meet on Wednesday. Last month’s surprise results in the Haryana assembly election showed what a difference such a grassroots campaign by the Sangh Parivar can make, said national spokesperson of the Vishwa …

Political situation and party benefit will decide next Maharashtra CM: BJP general secretary Vinod Tawde
1 month, 2 weeks ago

Political situation and party benefit will decide next Maharashtra CM: BJP general secretary Vinod Tawde

The Hindu  

The BJP will consider the political situation and long-term party benefit when deciding on Maharashtra’s new Chief Minister, if the ruling Mahayuti is voted back to power in the upcoming Assembly election, BJP national general secretary Vinod Tawde said on Wednesday, pointing to the Bihar example for the BJP’s rationale. Promoting local leaders “The wind is blowing in Mahayuti’s direction,” …

RSS affiliate expresses concerns over Bangladeshi infiltration
3 months ago

RSS affiliate expresses concerns over Bangladeshi infiltration

The Hindu  

The Akhil Bhartiya Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram, the tribal wing of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, urged the tribal communities in Jharkhand to wage a ‘war’ against purported Bangladeshi migrants who are allegedly trapping the girls in ‘Love Jihad’. On the conclusion of its three day long meeting held in Samalkha on Sunday, the right wing organisation also warned the tribal community over …

India believes in welfare of all: ‘Bhaiyyaji’ Joshi
4 months ago

India believes in welfare of all: ‘Bhaiyyaji’ Joshi

Hindustan Times  

VARANASI: Executive member of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, Suresh ‘Bhaiyyaji’ Joshi, on Sunday said that Indian saints and great leaders who travelled abroad did not carry weapons but scriptures, emphasising India’s belief in universal welfare and happiness. Executive member of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, Suresh ‘Bhaiyyaji’ Joshi at an event in Varanasi on Sunday. Speaking at the Rakshabandhan Utsav organised …

Rebuilding RSS: Sangh Shifts Focus to Grassroots Unity Amid Caste Divisions, Political Challenges
4 months, 3 weeks ago

Rebuilding RSS: Sangh Shifts Focus to Grassroots Unity Amid Caste Divisions, Political Challenges

News 18  

The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh is resurging and reclaiming control systematically by focusing on organisational coordination among cadre and emphasising on ‘Hindu’ unity. Amid overwhelming caste narratives by the Congress, which it sees as a threat to this unity, senior Sangh leaders are renewing their focus on grassroots organisation and BJP-RSS coordination. In the past one month, the RSS has held …

MHA displays order lifting ban on govt. staff joining RSS activities on its website
4 months, 3 weeks ago

MHA displays order lifting ban on govt. staff joining RSS activities on its website

The Hindu  

Following Madhya Pradesh High Court order to prominently display the order lifting restrictions on government officials ties with Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, the Minister of Home Affairs had displayed the order on its website for “public knowledge”. Earlier, on July 25, the Madhya Pradesh High Court said that it had taken the Union government “five decades to realise its mistake” in …

RSS hails decision allowing government employees to participate in Sangh activities
5 months ago

RSS hails decision allowing government employees to participate in Sangh activities

India TV News  

The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh praised the Central government's decision to lift the ban on government employees participating in Sangh activities. "Due to its political interests, the then government had baselessly banned the government employees from participating in the activities of a constructive organisation like the Sangh," the statement said. Criticism from Opposition Bahujan Samaj Party chief Mayawati criticised the government's …

Youth getting attracted towards RSS ideology, says sangh office-bearer
5 months, 1 week ago

Youth getting attracted towards RSS ideology, says sangh office-bearer

The Hindu  

The youth is getting attracted towards the ideology of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and joining it in large numbers every year, said an RSS office-bearer after a three-day meeting in Ranchi on July 14. On the results of the election, Mr. Ambekar said the RSS is not directly involved in elections but works on “refining” public opinion. Mr. Ambekar said …

Sangh Parivar never opposed reservations, says RSS chief
7 months, 3 weeks ago

Sangh Parivar never opposed reservations, says RSS chief

Deccan Chronicle  

Hyderabad: Reiterating his organisation’s support for reservations, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh chief Mohan Bhagwat on Sunday said discrimination still existed in society and the reservations should continue till they are needed. Addressing an event at Vidya Bharti Vignana Kendra in Rangareddy district on Sunday, Bhagwat referred to a video circulating in social media linking the RSS with false and misleading statements …

RSS supports reservations, says Mohan Bhagwat
7 months, 3 weeks ago

RSS supports reservations, says Mohan Bhagwat

The Hindu  

The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh has always supported reservations and they should be continued as along as there are social inequities in the country, asserted its chief Mohan Bhagawat on Sunday. Participating at the launch of the Vidya Bharti Vignana Kendra in Nadargul of Rangareddy district, he said he came across a video being circulated in social media, which said that …

'RSS backs reservations': Mohan Bhagwat amid BJP vs Congress poll battle over quota row
7 months, 3 weeks ago

'RSS backs reservations': Mohan Bhagwat amid BJP vs Congress poll battle over quota row

India TV News  

Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh chief Mohan Bhagwat on Sunday, while addressing an event, made it clear that the Sangh Parivar never opposed reservations extended to certain groups. Rahul Gandhi attacks BJP, RSS Congress leader Rahul has been on a streak to attack the BJP and RSS over a range of issues, including reservation. Gandhi recently in Wayanad, accused the BJP and …

BJP goes to EC against Akhilesh’s remarks on Ansari’s death and ‘fake RSS’ video
8 months, 2 weeks ago

BJP goes to EC against Akhilesh’s remarks on Ansari’s death and ‘fake RSS’ video

The Hindu  

The BJP on Monday complained to the Election Commission against Samajwadi Party chief Akhilesh Yadav over his remarks on the death of mafia-turned-politician Mukhtar Ansari. A delegation comprising BJP general secretary Arun Singh, party’s media cell co-convener Sanjay Mayukh and Om Pathak met the EC officials and submitted a memorandum. The BJP cited both the Model Code of Conduct and …

Farmers’ stir near Delhi is attempt to spread anarchy: RSS
9 months, 1 week ago

Farmers’ stir near Delhi is attempt to spread anarchy: RSS

Hindustan Times  

The Akhil Bharatiya Pratinidhi Sabha, the highest decision-making body of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, called the farmers’ protest near Delhi as resurgence of ‘separatist terrorism’ in Punjab and advised the government to distance itself from violent agitators. Under the pretext of farmers agitation, especially in Punjab, attempts have been restarted to spread anarchy, just two months before the Lok Sabha …

BJP, RSS promoting hatred in country: Rahul Gandhi
10 months, 1 week ago

BJP, RSS promoting hatred in country: Rahul Gandhi

Deccan Chronicle  

: Congress leader Rahul Gandhi on Sunday accused Bharatiya Janata Party and Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh of promoting hatred in the country. Resuming his ‘Bharat Jodo Nyay Yatra’ after a break for two days in Raigarh in Chhattisgarh, Mr. Gandhi said that “BJP and RSS are sowing seeds of hatred and disharmony, whereas we have opened the shop of love”. The …

Singer Shankar Mahadevan lauds RSS ‘contribution in preserving ideology of Akhand Bharat’
1 year, 2 months ago

Singer Shankar Mahadevan lauds RSS ‘contribution in preserving ideology of Akhand Bharat’

The Hindu  

Noted singer-composer Shankar Mahadevan on Tuesday hailed the contribution of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh towards the nation, its culture, traditions and preservation of the ideology of "Akhand Bharat". Addressing the annual Vijayadashami programme of the RSS in Reshimbagh area of Nagpur, 56-year-old Mahadevan, who was the chief guest at the event, began his speech with the rendition of Saraswati Vandana, …

Mohan Bhagwat attacks ‘cultural Marxists, wokism’ at RSS event
1 year, 2 months ago

Mohan Bhagwat attacks ‘cultural Marxists, wokism’ at RSS event

Hindustan Times  

RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat on Tuesday described "cultural Marxism" as "selfish, discriminatory and deceitful" forces seeking "sectarian interests" by taking "control of the media and academia" and plunging the nation into "confusion, chaos, and corruption". Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh chief Mohan Bhagwat with singer Shankar Mahadevan and others during the RSS 'Vijayadashami Utsav', in Nagpur. At the RSS's annual Vijay Dashami …

RSS not anti-Muslim or anti-Christian: Bhagwat
1 year, 5 months ago

RSS not anti-Muslim or anti-Christian: Bhagwat

Hindustan Times  

Mumbai: Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh is not an anti-Muslim or anti-Christian organisation but works with positive thoughts to bring Hindus together, said Mohan Bhagwat, RSS chief, on Tuesday. HT Image He was speaking at the release of Marathi translation of biography of RSS veteran late Laxmanrao Inamdar alias ‘Vakilsaheb’ titled “Setubandh”. “We do not follow reactionary ideology but work on positive …

Karnataka lessons: RSS and BJP must rediscover their ideological moorings — it’s smart politics that’s good for nation
1 year, 7 months ago

Karnataka lessons: RSS and BJP must rediscover their ideological moorings — it’s smart politics that’s good for nation

Firstpost  

At one place in his 2022 book, The Commissioner For Lost Causes, Arun Shourie reminisces about one of his interactions with Ramnath Goenka, the founder of The Indian Express, soon after his meeting with RSS leader Bhaurao Deoras at Delhi’s Jhandewalan complex. Sattaa milegee, tab dekhnaa — kaisey us ke peechey bhaagengey, kyaa uskaa prayog karengey, ke kaheen voh panjey …

The plan of a ‘right of way’ in South India
1 year, 9 months ago

The plan of a ‘right of way’ in South India

The Hindu  

When the Ayodhya movement led to the dramatic rise in the Bharatiya Janata Party’s Lok Sabha seat tally — two in 1984 and 85 seats in 1989 — it was explained away as a largely North Indian story. In the wider context of the churn in India’s polity, the politics of religious polarisation across Hindu-Muslim lines in India’s south is …

“China is against India’s relationship with the US,” claims Rahul Gandhi
1 year, 9 months ago

“China is against India’s relationship with the US,” claims Rahul Gandhi

Live Mint  

Congress leader Rahul Gandhi in an interaction at the Chatham House in London said that China doesn't want us to have a relationship with the US. The Congress leader expressed his opinion on the presence of Chinese troops in Ladakh and noted that the basic idea behind the Chinese troops on the Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh borders is similar to …

Delhi: RSS' Muslim outreach continues, holds meeting with Islamic intellectuals discussing their issues
1 year, 9 months ago

Delhi: RSS' Muslim outreach continues, holds meeting with Islamic intellectuals discussing their issues

India TV News  

Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh 's Muslim outreach continues as its senior leaders Indresh Kumar, Krishna Gopal and Ram Lal, on March 1, held a meeting with Muslim intellectuals discussing their issues. 'Those whose ancestors were Hindu are Hindus': RSS Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh general secretary Dattatreya Hosabale said those whose ancestors were Hindu are Hindus. While speaking at the Birla Auditorium, Jaipur …

Attend RSS 'Shakha' for Few Days, BJP to Rahul Gandhi
1 year, 11 months ago

Attend RSS 'Shakha' for Few Days, BJP to Rahul Gandhi

News 18  

A day after Rahul Gandhi targeted the RSS, Haryana Home Minister Anil Vij on Tuesday hit out at the Congress leader, saying he should attend an RSS ‘shakha’ for a few days as he knows nothing about the organisation. “He remains a Pappu,” Khattar said referring to the term which means naive and ignorant and is often used by the …

All Indians are Hindus irrespective of religion: RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat
2 years ago

All Indians are Hindus irrespective of religion: RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat

India TV News  

Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh chief Mohan Bhagwat today said that all the people of India are Hindus and that whoever considers India as his motherland is a Hindu, irrespective of religion.At the closing ceremony of the third Sangh Shiksha organized by the RSS in Nagpur, he said, "All the people of India are Hindus. Bhagwat also said that India's presidency in …

Pinarayi slams RSS chief's statement on population control policy
2 years, 2 months ago

Pinarayi slams RSS chief's statement on population control policy

The Hindu  

Chief Minister Pinarayi Vijayan has slammed Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh chief Mohan Bhagwat's call for a broad population control policy that applied to all, irrespective of religious differences. Mr. Vijayan termed Mr. Bhagawat's statement Islamophobic and patently anti-minority. The RSS chief's implication that religion-based population balance was necessary for nationhood had grave consequences for the country's secular, liberal and democratic polity. …

Opinion | How Mohan Bhagwat has changed RSS
2 years, 2 months ago

Opinion | How Mohan Bhagwat has changed RSS

India TV News  

Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh supremo Mohan Bhagwat, while addressing the traditional Dussehra rally on Wednesday in Nagpur, sought to dispel confusions about his organization’s views on Muslims, population control and casteism. The RSS chief also called for a “well thought out, comprehensive population control policy, which should be applicable to all social groups equally”. On this, Mohan Bhagwat said, “Scare-mongering is …

Decoding RSS chief’s speech
2 years, 2 months ago

Decoding RSS chief’s speech

Hindustan Times  

In his annual Vijayadashami speech, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh chief Mohan Bhagwat touched on many things — from how India could take advantage of its demographic dividend, empowerment of women and the need to end caste-based discrimination. But it must also be remembered that according to data from the National Family Health Survey -5, the total fertility rate, or the number …

Bhagwat’s Vijayadashami Address Explains Why Bharat Needs to be an Unapologetic Hindu Rashtra
2 years, 2 months ago

Bhagwat’s Vijayadashami Address Explains Why Bharat Needs to be an Unapologetic Hindu Rashtra

News 18  

Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, the largest voluntary organisation in the world, was founded in 1925 on the auspicious day of Vijayadashami, a Hindu festival that celebrates the victory of the good over the evil. The address of the RSS’ Sarsanghchalak on every Vijayadashami has been watched and followed with keen interest for several years now, especially since 2014 when an RSS …

RSS foundation day celebrations: Mohan Bhagwat asks Swayamsevaks to stay firm on Sanatan Dharma
2 years, 2 months ago

RSS foundation day celebrations: Mohan Bhagwat asks Swayamsevaks to stay firm on Sanatan Dharma

Op India  

On Wednesday, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh conducted a rally in the Nagpur district of Maharashtra on the occasion of Vijayadashami. The way we helped Sri Lanka, and our stand during the Ukraine-Russia conflict shows that we are being heard: RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat, in Nagpur pic.twitter.com/ABTU6odGmH — ANI October 5, 2022 Bhagwat’s remarks came in presence of mountaineer Santosh Yadav …

RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat says concept of Hindu Rashtra being taken seriously
2 years, 2 months ago

RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat says concept of Hindu Rashtra being taken seriously

India TV News  

Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh chief Mohan Bhagwat on Wednesday said scare-mongering was being done by some that there was a danger to minorities, but asserted that this is neither the nature of the Sangh nor of Hindus. Raising concerns over inequality, he said "unless temples, water sources and cremation grounds are open to all Hindus, till such time the talk of …

State govt denies permission for RSS rallies across Tamil Nadu on Gandhi Jayanti
2 years, 2 months ago

State govt denies permission for RSS rallies across Tamil Nadu on Gandhi Jayanti

India Today  

The Tamil Nadu government has denied permission for the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh rallies across Tamil Nadu on the occasion of Gandhi Jayanti, October 2. This comes even after the Madras HC had directed the state government to allow the RSS rallies with certain restrictions. The Tamil Nadu government, in its statement, said that considering the present law and order decision …

RSS Chief Mohan Bhagwat meets Muslim intellectuals, discusses religious harmony
2 years, 3 months ago

RSS Chief Mohan Bhagwat meets Muslim intellectuals, discusses religious harmony

Deccan Chronicle  

New Delhi: Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh Chief Mohan Bhagwat on Thursday, met with many Muslim intellectuals including Chief Imam, Dr Imam Umer Ahmed Ilyasi. After the controversy erupted regarding Gyanvapi also, the RSS Chief met with Muslim intellectuals and academicians. Earlier on Tuesday, RSS Chief Mohan Bhagwat met with many Muslim intellectuals and discussed recent controversies and ways to strengthen religious …

Protests against Agnipath scheme
2 years, 6 months ago

Protests against Agnipath scheme

The Hindu  

Thousands of youth across the country hit the streets demanding a rollback of “contractualisation” of jobs in the Indian Army, and Opposition parties, trade unions, farmers’ associations, youth organisations, and students’ outfits of various political affiliations joined in chorus to support the protests against Agnipath, the scheme to recruit soldiers on a four-year contract basis. BMS general secretary Binay Kumar …

How RSS Fought Khalistani Separatists in Punjab in 1980s, Promoted Hindu-Sikh Brotherhood
2 years, 7 months ago

How RSS Fought Khalistani Separatists in Punjab in 1980s, Promoted Hindu-Sikh Brotherhood

News 18  

There is a sordid saga behind the rise of Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale. It noted incidents like throwing cigarette butt-ends and severed heads of cows into Gurudwaras and temples and said that this was done “with a view to desecrating them and inflaming passions as it can never be the handiwork of anyone with love for the integrity and unity of …

RSS to widen base across J&K ‘to inculcate patriotism’
3 years, 2 months ago

RSS to widen base across J&K ‘to inculcate patriotism’

The Hindu  

Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh chief Mohan Bhagwat, who is on a four-day visit to Jammu and Kashmir, on Friday called upon his followers to set up a network of shakhas in the Union Territory to “inculcate patriotism among people”. He called for the setting up of a network of RSS shakhas in every nook and corner of Jammu and Kashmir, an …

In replacing Dilip Ghosh with Sukanta Majumdar as Bengal chief, the BJP has reached out to RSS and 'Bhadralok' in one move
3 years, 3 months ago

In replacing Dilip Ghosh with Sukanta Majumdar as Bengal chief, the BJP has reached out to RSS and 'Bhadralok' in one move

Firstpost  

Like many BJP office bearers, Dilip Ghosh too was an RSS man. However, his relationship with the RSS deteriorated over time It was the Bharatiya Janata Party’s defeat in the 2021 Bengal Assembly elections that sealed the fate of the then state unit chief Dilip Ghosh. Many turncoats, who had jumped ship before polls, have already left the BJP and …

RSS top brass unhappy with Modi, Yogi handling of second wave
3 years, 6 months ago

RSS top brass unhappy with Modi, Yogi handling of second wave

The Hindu  

On May 23, a high-power meeting oftop leaders of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and the Bharatiya Janata Party was held in New Delhi. It was attended by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Home Minister Amit Shah, J.P. Nadda, the BJP president, Sunil Bansal, the party’s organisation secretary for Uttar Pradesh, and Dattatreya Hosabale, the RSS general secretary. Citing this fact, media …

RSS brings men from same generation to run the Sangh and politics
3 years, 9 months ago

RSS brings men from same generation to run the Sangh and politics

India Today  

"The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next." A RSS pracharak who has seen the Sangh travel from the Guru Golwalkar to the Mohan Bhagwat era said, "In Vajpayee’s time, given the weak mandate BJP had, RSS provided equal weightage to the party and its other organs. Modi's leadership brought …

Spectre of Saffron Haunts Kerala Politics, Left's Ramachandran Pillai Admits to Old RSS Ties
4 years, 4 months ago

Spectre of Saffron Haunts Kerala Politics, Left's Ramachandran Pillai Admits to Old RSS Ties

News 18  

The row between the ruling CPI and Congress in Kerala over allegations of RSS ties have left a bad taste in the mouth for the Left government. The war of words between the LDF and UDF over alleged saffron ties took an interesting turn when the CPI's seniormost politburo member S Ramachandran Pillai revealed that he was indeed a member …

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