I Was A COVID Doctor. Here's The One Thing I Refuse To Do As We 'Get Back To Normal.'
2 years, 9 months ago

I Was A COVID Doctor. Here's The One Thing I Refuse To Do As We 'Get Back To Normal.'

Huff Post  

A nurse gives medication to a patient with COVID-19 in the medical intensive care unit at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center on April 24, 2020, in New York City. Health care workers are not OK. As the transition back to “normal” begins, our clinics — echoing the rest of the nation — are moving toward a new stage of the pandemic. A stage where the role of the COVID-19 care provider is dissolved and absorbed into the umbrella of primary care, where a collective problem gets shoved onto the individual, and where the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, our nation’s foremost health protection agency, places the burden of risk calculation onto millions of immunocompromised people by advising them to “talk to their health care provider” about masking and what measures they should take to stay safe. Ron DeSantis and his recent mask tantrum in front of high school students, in which he accused them of COVID theatrics.” For two years, I have watched in horror as the people in charge of this country have presided over close to 1 million dead from COVID and counting, as charlatans and grifters occupy the halls of power. As an immunocompromised doctor on my clinic’s COVID team for the past two years, I want everyone — especially our most vulnerable — to live and thrive through whatever this next period looks like.

Health Florida Power Care Covid Doctor Desantis Past Policies Lives Ron Desantis Clinicians Immunocompromised Our Lane  covid  lives  immunocompromised  power  refuse  heres  desantis  shift  doctor  normal  health  policies  past  thing  care

History of this topic

There’s Still Time to Get Ahead of the Next Global Pandemic
1 week, 6 days ago

There’s Still Time to Get Ahead of the Next Global Pandemic

Wired  

Public health is under pressure. Across health care systems around the world, funding is declining, exhausted professionals are leaving the field, and in the US state legislatures are pulling back needed legal authorities. The Covid-19 pandemic was extraordinarily challenging for the public health workforce, which mounted a historic pandemic response. Public health, specifically epidemiology, is beginning to reorient away from …

Do we simply not care about old people?
10 months, 4 weeks ago

Do we simply not care about old people?

Salon  

The covid-19 pandemic would be a wake-up call for America, advocates for the elderly predicted: incontrovertible proof that the nation wasn’t doing enough to care for vulnerable older adults. “I think the pandemic helped reinforce images of older people as sick, frail, and isolated — as people who aren’t like the rest of us,” he said. It’s really hard to …

Too many patients are catching COVID in Australian hospitals, doctors say. So why are hospitals rolling back precautions?
10 months, 4 weeks ago

Too many patients are catching COVID in Australian hospitals, doctors say. So why are hospitals rolling back precautions?

ABC  

Steve Irons' older brother Jim was only supposed to be in hospital for a short while. But senior healthcare workers in several states say vulnerable people — including transplant and oncology patients and others with compromised immune systems — are contracting COVID because even basic precautions are not being taken: a consequence, they say, of hospitals' failure to address airborne …

Why so many healthcare workers are walking off the job
1 year, 2 months ago

Why so many healthcare workers are walking off the job

BBC  

Why so many healthcare workers are walking off the job Kaiser Permanente workers on strike Hospital workers and pharmacists at companies including Kaiser Permanente and Walgreens are organising, demanding better conditions to help with pay, under-staffing and patient care. "In my time, this is the largest wave of healthcare strikes I've seen," says Ingrid Nembhard, professor of healthcare management at …

Opinion: We’ve made huge advances against COVID. Why is it still killing so many people?
1 year, 7 months ago

Opinion: We’ve made huge advances against COVID. Why is it still killing so many people?

LA Times  

Many immunocompromised and older people are still terrified of COVID. COVID never treated all groups equally, and some older people and immunocompromised individuals still face the highest risk of serious illness. Even for severely immunocompromised people — namely a fraction of those with malignancies or autoimmune disorders who take a drug that depletes their antibody response, as well as patients …

We asked, you answered: How do you feel about the end of the COVID-19 'emergency'
1 year, 7 months ago

We asked, you answered: How do you feel about the end of the COVID-19 'emergency'

NPR  

We asked, you answered: How do you feel about the end of the COVID-19 'emergency' Enlarge this image toggle caption Beata Zawrzel/NurPhoto via Getty Images Beata Zawrzel/NurPhoto via Getty Images The COVID-19 pandemic state of emergency is over, lifted by both the World Health Organization and the U. S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "I tried contacting our health …

Long Covid patients are being 'left to their own devices'
1 year, 8 months ago

Long Covid patients are being 'left to their own devices'

Dutch News  

Doctors and patients are calling for a national action plan to improve what they consider the failing treatment of Long Covid patients in the Netherlands, the AD reports. Jan Kluytmans, a professor of microbiology and member of the government’s Outbreak Management Team said Long Covid patients are not getting the medical answers they are after and are being ‘left to …

Long Covid patients are being 'left to their own devices'
1 year, 8 months ago

Long Covid patients are being 'left to their own devices'

Dutch News  

Doctors and patients are calling for a national action plan to improve what they consider the failing treatment of Long Covid patients in the Netherlands, the AD reports. Jan Kluytmans, a professor of microbiology and member of the government’s Outbreak Management Team said Long Covid patients are not getting the medical answers they are after and are being ‘left to …

The pandemic cracked the door open to universal health care. Here's how we could still get there
1 year, 8 months ago

The pandemic cracked the door open to universal health care. Here's how we could still get there

Salon  

Just over three years ago, New York City reported its first confirmed death from COVID-19. That seeing how your health affected mine — the revelation that we were bound up together — would shift the dialogue on universal health care. We are missing the opportunity to cement the coverage gains made during the pandemic — and instead will move further …

Opinion: Biden is ending COVID emergency declarations. But the healthcare worker crisis continues
1 year, 11 months ago

Opinion: Biden is ending COVID emergency declarations. But the healthcare worker crisis continues

LA Times  

Healthcare workers huddle in the COVID-19 unit at Rady Children’s Hospital in San Diego on Jan. 19, 2022. The pandemic has exacerbated many chronic challenges for the U.S. health system, including the shortage, burnout and inequitable distribution of healthcare workers. Many experienced healthcare workers are leaving this sector or retiring, a trend expected of an aging workforce but enhanced by …

A FIFTH of 'long Covid' sufferers still haven't returned to work
1 year, 11 months ago

A FIFTH of 'long Covid' sufferers still haven't returned to work

Daily Mail  

Swathes of young people are still off work with self-reported long Covid and it is wreaking havoc on employers, an analysis suggests. The study, published by New York’s largest workers’ compensation insurer, found 71 percent of people the fund classified as experiencing long Covid were unable to work for six months or more. The vast majority of claimants - 83 …

Facing COVID surge, China expanding hospitals, ICUs
2 years ago

Facing COVID surge, China expanding hospitals, ICUs

Associated Press  

BEIJING — Facing a surge in COVID-19 cases, China is setting up more intensive care facilities and trying to strengthen hospitals as it rolls back anti-virus controls that confined millions of people to their homes, crushed economic growth and set off protests. A Cabinet meeting called Thursday for “full mobilization” of hospitals including adding staff to ensure their “combat effectiveness” …

Facing COVID surge, China expanding hospitals, ICUs
2 years ago

Facing COVID surge, China expanding hospitals, ICUs

LA Times  

Facing a surge in COVID-19 cases, China is setting up more intensive care facilities and trying to strengthen hospitals as it rolls back anti-virus controls that confined millions of people to their homes, crushed economic growth and set off protests. A Cabinet meeting called Thursday for “full mobilization” of hospitals including adding staff to ensure their “combat effectiveness” and increasing …

COVID-19 updates: Mandatory isolation comes to an end as Australia enters new phase of pandemic — as it happened
2 years, 2 months ago

COVID-19 updates: Mandatory isolation comes to an end as Australia enters new phase of pandemic — as it happened

ABC  

*Sigh* — It looks like I'll be wearing an N95 for the foreseeable future. I haven't had covid yet and don't appreciate that people will be forced to work when sick as they won't receive paid leave- for their sake and for mine! Matthew Pickett — Absolutely crazy - look at what is happening in Europe and the USA now …

A report highlights 11 ways to prepare for future pandemics
2 years, 3 months ago

A report highlights 11 ways to prepare for future pandemics

The Hindu  

A global report released today highlights massive global failures in the response to COVID-19. The report also highlights that the pandemic has reversed progress made towards the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals in many countries further impacting on health and wellbeing. The World Health Assembly should also adopt new global regulations on biosafety to regulate international research programs dealing with …

Fight to end virus pandemic takes place on UN’s sidelines
2 years, 3 months ago

Fight to end virus pandemic takes place on UN’s sidelines

Associated Press  

UNITED NATIONS — In four days of fiery speeches over war, climate change and the threat of nuclear weapons, one issue felt like an afterthought during this year’s U.N. General Assembly: the coronavirus pandemic. On Thursday, U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres gathered with World Health Organization chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, UNICEF Executive Director Catherine Russell and others to discuss equitable access …

Coronavirus Today: Who’s dying of COVID-19 now?
2 years, 3 months ago

Coronavirus Today: Who’s dying of COVID-19 now?

LA Times  

I’m Karen Kaplan, and it’s Tuesday, Sept. 20. At a time when vaccines, boosters, medications and antibody treatments are plentiful, when hospitals have the bandwidth to care for patients who are seriously ill, and when, as White House COVID-⁠19 Response Coordinator Dr. Ashish Jha said, “most COVID-19 deaths are preventable,” you’ve got to wonder: Who is dying of COVID-19 now? …

Health union joins NSW Premier's push to change mandatory COVID-19 isolation rules
2 years, 4 months ago

Health union joins NSW Premier's push to change mandatory COVID-19 isolation rules

ABC  

The union that represents workers in hospitals and the aged care sector wants to scrap mandatory COVID-19 isolation. Key points: The Health Services Union is calling for forced stay-at-home rules to be scrapped The NSW Premier is leading a push to reduce the COVID isolation period from seven days to five Some health experts argue it is too soon to …

Column: Do we get our lives back now, or are we going back down the COVID hole?
2 years, 5 months ago

Column: Do we get our lives back now, or are we going back down the COVID hole?

LA Times  

Los Angeles County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer has been warning Angelenos that a new mask mandate may be necessary. The result, says The Times, is a “palpable disconnect between alarmed scientists and health officials focused solely on the infectiousness and mutations of the virus and a public that is increasingly less concerned.” This week L.A. County officials will decide …

COVID-19 outbreaks force 'desperate' extension of defence force support in aged care
2 years, 5 months ago

COVID-19 outbreaks force 'desperate' extension of defence force support in aged care

ABC  

Defence personnel will be kept in aged care facilities for another two months, as staffing shortages continue amid the ongoing winter surge in COVID-19 cases. Key points: More than a thousand aged care facilities are facing COVID-19 outbreaks The Defence Minister says it is an extreme response and not a long-term solution An extra 250 personnel will also be deployed …

Hospitals bring back Covid restrictions on patients and visitors
2 years, 5 months ago

Hospitals bring back Covid restrictions on patients and visitors

Daily Mail  

Hospitals in New South Wales are already implementing their own Covid mandates despite no official orders from government. Dr Ashford said the current situation is 'more serious now than ever' and urged the government to move quickly on implementing new measures There is also widespread outrage over the federal government's decision to scrap pandemic leave payments and free RAT tests …

In the new COVID-19 era, politicians are advising the experts — and in some cases, ignoring advice they don't want to hear
2 years, 5 months ago

In the new COVID-19 era, politicians are advising the experts — and in some cases, ignoring advice they don't want to hear

ABC  

It's less than a year since the "hi-vis" protests brought Melbourne's CBD to an almost daily standstill. It's less than six months since the "Convoy to Canberra" saw huge crowds converge on the national capital for a two-week "freedom" festival. This week, Victoria's Health Minister Mary-Anne Thomas rejected advice from the state's acting Chief Health Officer to mandate mask-wearing in …

Physicians think next Covid wave will catch Cabinet off-guard; Too little urgency
2 years, 6 months ago

Physicians think next Covid wave will catch Cabinet off-guard; Too little urgency

NL Times  

General practitioners believe that the Cabinet is doing too little to prepare the healthcare sector for a new revival of the coronavirus, various associations said in a letter to Health Minister Ernst Kuipers. Because keeping everything in the air during high waves of contamination is simply not possible.” The GPs also said that the Cabinet’s plans for, for example, monitoring …

Confusion prevails over covid protocols as public fears wane
2 years, 6 months ago

Confusion prevails over covid protocols as public fears wane

Live Mint  

We’re now in a weird phase of the covid pandemic. Danish social scientist Michael Bang Petersen of Aarhus University told me that familiarity with covid is changing people’s attitudes. And that means it’s hard to adapt our behaviour to the situation—the way public health officials urged us to do during previous waves. “We know from research that social isolation is …

Op-Ed: Will we get around COVID complacency even as the threat returns?
2 years, 6 months ago

Op-Ed: Will we get around COVID complacency even as the threat returns?

LA Times  

A few months ago, it seemed as though the country was finally poised to tame the pandemic, after two years of restrictions and tens of billions in government spending. Public health is fought without drama, good visuals and by ordinary people in lab coats or, more often, in street clothes, going door to door for things like vaccine distribution and …

'New lockdowns loom' if government fails to anticipate autumn corona wave
2 years, 7 months ago

'New lockdowns loom' if government fails to anticipate autumn corona wave

Dutch News  

The Netherlands needs to step up its preparations for a new wave of coronavirus infections in the autumn or risk another lockdown, experts have warned. Administrators said there was a lack of urgency among policymakers to fix problems, such as a shortage of intensive care beds, that hampered the Dutch pandemic response in the last two years. ‘We have fewer …

'New lockdowns loom' if government fails to anticipate autumn corona wave
2 years, 7 months ago

'New lockdowns loom' if government fails to anticipate autumn corona wave

Dutch News  

The Netherlands needs to step up its preparations for a new wave of coronavirus infections in the autumn or risk another lockdown, experts have warned. Administrators said there was a lack of urgency among policymakers to fix problems, such as a shortage of intensive care beds, that hampered the Dutch pandemic response in the last two years. ‘We have fewer …

Future Hospitals Must Learn from Covid to Handle Infectious, Other Diseases at Same Time: Dr Ballal
2 years, 7 months ago

Future Hospitals Must Learn from Covid to Handle Infectious, Other Diseases at Same Time: Dr Ballal

News 18  

The most important learning from the outbreak of the Covid-19 pandemic is to build “future hospitals” where patients suffering from communicable and non-communicable diseases can be treated simultaneously, Dr H Sudarshan Ballal, chairman of Manipal Health Enterprises, the group that owns Manipal Hospitals, told News18.com. Postponing emergency surgeries, watching patients maturing from stage 2 to stage 4 cancer, was very …

‘Brutal’ NHS pressures stop Covid testing
2 years, 8 months ago

‘Brutal’ NHS pressures stop Covid testing

The Independent  

Sign up for our free Health Check email to receive exclusive analysis on the week in health Get our free Health Check email Get our free Health Check email SIGN UP I would like to be emailed about offers, events and updates from The Independent. Read our privacy policy Overstretched hospitals are stopping routine Covid tests for new patients as …

Op-Ed: I nearly died from COVID. Now I’m letting go of the fear
2 years, 9 months ago

Op-Ed: I nearly died from COVID. Now I’m letting go of the fear

LA Times  

COVID hospitalizations are far less deadly now than they were two years ago. Today, COVID-19 is far less dangerous than it was two years ago, and I wonder: By telling my harrowing story, did I contribute to a climate of fear that we now find difficult to dispel? It’s time for a full accounting of our response Two years ago, …

2 years into pandemic, world takes cautious steps forward
2 years, 9 months ago

2 years into pandemic, world takes cautious steps forward

Associated Press  

PORTLAND, Ore. — With COVID-19 case numbers plummeting, Emily Safrin did something she hadn’t done since the pandemic began two years ago: She put her fears aside and went to a concert. “Everyone was supposed to be vaccinated or have a negative test, and I said, ‘What the heck, I’m just gonna live my life,’” Safrin said of her concert …

Covid-19: How to repair the pandemic’s damage to cancer care
2 years, 10 months ago

Covid-19: How to repair the pandemic’s damage to cancer care

Hindustan Times  

In the pandemic’s third year, we are beginning to discern the total picture of Covid-19’s damage. Cancer patients are among the most vulnerable to catching Covid, and if exposed they’re much more likely than other people to end up in the hospital or to die. What’s more, the waves of infections put pressure on hospitals and their employees, disrupted routine …

Bringing in military won't fix COVID-19 crisis in aged care — it's just another distraction from struggling system's flaws
2 years, 11 months ago

Bringing in military won't fix COVID-19 crisis in aged care — it's just another distraction from struggling system's flaws

ABC  

We are living in grim times. The rather apocalyptic picture Dutton painted of desperate people being turned away from hospitals by gun toting military personnel came during a spirited defence of his prime minister: a PM on the political ropes this week, confronted by a disastrous polling slump and a trainwreck of an appearance at the National Press Club, topped …

Impact of Covid on cancer care: Unaddressed problem and the possible solutions
2 years, 11 months ago

Impact of Covid on cancer care: Unaddressed problem and the possible solutions

Hindustan Times  

The Covid-19 pandemic has had a catastrophic impact on cancer care. A study done in England showed a substantial increase in avoidable cancer-related deaths as a result of the impact of an ongoing pandemic on cancer care. Increased incidence of advanced-stage disease and increased cancer-related mortality have been noticed in CMC Vellore, a leading cancer care centre in South India. …

Op-Ed: Anti-vaccine patients vent anger on healthcare workers like me. It takes a toll on care
2 years, 11 months ago

Op-Ed: Anti-vaccine patients vent anger on healthcare workers like me. It takes a toll on care

LA Times  

As hospital workers risk their lives to fight the pandemic, some COVID-skeptic patients and families vehemently claim that healthcare workers are “poisoning” and “punishing” people. A 43-year-old woman insisted “it’s just the flu” right up until she was begging to be intubated when oxygen masks failed to alleviate the panic caused by low oxygen levels. Patients and their relatives vehemently …

As we attempt to live with Covid, a class of vulnerable people is emerging: the new excluded
2 years, 11 months ago

As we attempt to live with Covid, a class of vulnerable people is emerging: the new excluded

The Independent  

The best of Voices delivered to your inbox every week - from controversial columns to expert analysis Sign up for our free weekly Voices newsletter for expert opinion and columns Sign up to our free weekly Voices newsletter SIGN UP I would like to be emailed about offers, events and updates from The Independent. Rejoice again, I tell you, for …

As hospitals reel, California tells coronavirus-positive medical workers to stay on the job
2 years, 11 months ago

As hospitals reel, California tells coronavirus-positive medical workers to stay on the job

LA Times  

Daylong waits in the emergency room. State officials are attempting to address California’s staffing shortage through a sweeping policy change that allows asymptomatic healthcare workers who have tested positive for the coronavirus to return to work immediately. The decision is “irresponsible and a huge mistake that will jeopardize everyone’s health,” said Rosanna Mendez, executive director of SEIU 121RN, a union …

Editorial: Officials have been relaxing some COVID protocols, leaving the public dazed and confused
2 years, 11 months ago

Editorial: Officials have been relaxing some COVID protocols, leaving the public dazed and confused

LA Times  

Even as COVID-19 cases spiked last month, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention cut in half the amount of time that people should remain in isolation after infection if they are without symptoms — and eliminated the recommendation that they get a negative test before they start interacting with other people. We’re told that our old loose-fitting cloth …

Health officials let COVID-infected staff stay on the job
2 years, 11 months ago

Health officials let COVID-infected staff stay on the job

Associated Press  

Health authorities around the U.S. are increasingly taking the extraordinary step of allowing nurses and other workers infected with the coronavirus to stay on the job if they have mild symptoms or none at all. “We are doing everything we can to ensure our employees can safely return to work while protecting our patients and staff from the transmissibility of …

Victorian COVID-19 hospitalisations rise to 861 as 37,994 new cases, 13 deaths reported
2 years, 11 months ago

Victorian COVID-19 hospitalisations rise to 861 as 37,994 new cases, 13 deaths reported

ABC  

The number of COVID-19 patients in Victorian hospitals has hit a new pandemic high, as the wave of Omicron infections continues to place pressure on the healthcare system. Key points: There are more than 170,000 active cases in Victoria, sending thousands of workers into isolation Health services are struggling to maintain staffing as COVID-19 hospitalisations continue to rise The Premier …

Abcarian: It's looking like we all might get COVID someday
3 years ago

Abcarian: It's looking like we all might get COVID someday

LA Times  

Over the last few weeks, you’ve probably had the same conversation I’ve been having: “We’re all going to get it, aren’t we?” “Yep.” Call it fatalism. “I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that everybody will get COVID-19,” UCLA infectious disease expert Otto Yang told the “Today” show last month. “Endemic is now often used to describe the point where …

500 care workers face redundancy after developing Long Covid
3 years ago

500 care workers face redundancy after developing Long Covid

Dutch News  

Over 500 healthcare workers face losing their jobs because they are suffering from Long Covid and have been on sick pay for the regulation two years, according to the FNV trade union federation. The public health institute RIVM estimates 238,000 healthcare workers caught coronavirus and, the FNV says, most of the Long Covid reports they have had come from people …

500 care workers face redundancy after developing Long Covid
3 years ago

500 care workers face redundancy after developing Long Covid

Dutch News  

Over 500 healthcare workers face losing their jobs because they are suffering from Long Covid and have been on sick pay for the regulation two years, according to the FNV trade union federation. The public health institute RIVM estimates 238,000 healthcare workers caught coronavirus and, the FNV says, most of the Long Covid reports they have had come from people …

Reduced COVID-19 isolation for NSW healthcare staff a 'catch-up' measure to stop system 'collapsing'
3 years ago

Reduced COVID-19 isolation for NSW healthcare staff a 'catch-up' measure to stop system 'collapsing'

ABC  

Tired and overworked healthcare workers in New South Wales were left with no choice but to support reducing the isolation rules for staff with no symptoms who had been deemed close contacts of COVID-19 cases. Key points: Expert says reducing isolation for asymptomatic healthcare staff made complete sense President of the doctors union says patients will not be put in …

As COVID beds fill, hospitals struggle with burnout among doctors, nurses and staff
3 years ago

As COVID beds fill, hospitals struggle with burnout among doctors, nurses and staff

LA Times  

Twins Natalie Balli, left, and Linda Calderon, background right, 71, in a COVID-19 unit at Providence Holy Cross Medical Center in Los Angeles on Friday. “There is no medical school class that can prepare you for this level of death,” said Dr. Jacqueline Pflaum-Carlson, an emergency medicine specialist at Henry Ford Health System in Detroit. Dr. Steve Stites, chief medical …

Victorian COVID-19 pandemic law protests flare as barristers urge government to make changes
3 years, 2 months ago

Victorian COVID-19 pandemic law protests flare as barristers urge government to make changes

ABC  

Victorian barristers have urged the state government to halt the progression of its revamped pandemic laws through parliament, as protests over the controversial new bill continue. Key points: The Victorian Bar says the "breathtakingly broad" powers in the bill should be more carefully defined It says the bill should also make clear that orders breaching human rights will be deemed …

ICU expert calls for reinstatement of basic Covid measures
3 years, 2 months ago

ICU expert calls for reinstatement of basic Covid measures

NL Times  

The Cabinet should reimplement the basic measures against the spread of the coronavirus in the press conference scheduled for Tuesday, Diederik Gommers, intensive care doctor and head of the ICU association NVIC, said in the BNR podcast Ask Gommers. According to Gommers, the coronavirus is currently spreading like wildfire because the basic measures no longer apply. The basic measures will …

Hospitals call for new pandemic measures as coronavirus admissions rise
3 years, 2 months ago

Hospitals call for new pandemic measures as coronavirus admissions rise

Dutch News  

Hospital bosses have called on the government to step up measures against coronavirus following a surge in patient admissions in recent weeks. Van Harten said possible measures included reimposing the face mask mandate, stricter QR checks to ensure people gathering indoors have been vaccinated or tested negative, or rolling out third vaccine doses faster. The Isala hospital in Zwolle, where …

Hospitals call for new pandemic measures as coronavirus admissions rise
3 years, 2 months ago

Hospitals call for new pandemic measures as coronavirus admissions rise

Dutch News  

Hospital bosses have called on the government to step up measures against coronavirus following a surge in patient admissions in recent weeks. Van Harten said possible measures included reimposing the face mask mandate, stricter QR checks to ensure people gathering indoors have been vaccinated or tested negative, or rolling out third vaccine doses faster. The Isala hospital in Zwolle, where …

Discover Related